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Some manga girl .advice. by mayuzane Some manga girl .advice. by mayuzane
The original work by :icongraphitestalker: can be seen here [link]

I hope this helps, and I apologize for any mistakes I've made. I think I goofed on the shadow, most likely caused by sleep deprivation (it's 2 am now folks!).

For those curious, this was done in PaintTool SAI.
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:icontorheit-die-katze:
Torheit-die-Katze Featured By Owner Apr 2, 2011  Student Filmographer
Great Correction! Especially how you changed the pose, it looks much more interesting now :) Very well done!
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:iconmayuzane:
mayuzane Featured By Owner Apr 4, 2011  Student General Artist
Thank you.
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:icongraphitestalker:
GraphiteSTALKER Featured By Owner Apr 2, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Thank you, I really appreciate your advices!
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mayuzane Featured By Owner Apr 4, 2011  Student General Artist
You're welcome. Glad to help.
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:icongraphitestalker:
GraphiteSTALKER Featured By Owner Apr 1, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
WOW - thanks a huge lot! Now I think I'll know the parts in which I have to improve the most!
Yeah, I too kind of thought that I got the proportions wrong somewhere, but I didn't know at the moment, where exactly. I just need to ask a little question - what might be a better way to practice drawing realistic people? The Art class in my school doesn't count, because all we do there is make some art objects from, well...stuff, and the teacher there isn't interested in extending my level in drawing (or anyone else's level, for that matter) - just to make objects, objects and objects, and a complete 0 drawings so far (this will be the 2nd year).
So, about my question - what would be a better way: to take some pictures from the internet, or try to sketch some everyday people, like my classmates? (boy, do I regret that one time when I decided to draw one girl from my class, and she commented that she isn't so fat! :D)
Trust me, I really do want to upgrade my level in drawing, but I lately hadn't had neither the time, nor the opportunity (which is actually why I joined DA.), and I would really appreciate some useful advices from experts like you - the corrected version of my drawing is simply stunning, thanks again!
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:icongardenparsley:
GardenParsley Featured By Owner Apr 1, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Either way has its benefits-- drawing people in real life can allow you to work on different angles and get e█actly the post you want to practice, but the downside is that they tend to move or might react badly, as you have already seen; pictures may not have the e█act pose you want but they are still good practice and you do not have to worry about your subject moving
Use the website that f-g linked you to for practice or reference, it is one of my favorites
Keep in mind also that the most important thing in figure drawing is the shapes; I find the thing that has most improved my art over the years is a good understanding of the basic shapes of the human anatomy and how those shapes overlap and interact with each other
That an lots of practice 8]
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:icongraphitestalker:
GraphiteSTALKER Featured By Owner Apr 2, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Yeah, I also have some books about how to "break down" the drawing in shapes before marking the real outline. I know some people from my previous school who could draw the human figure amazingly w/o starting from the shapes, but I guess it is a skill that only a few very ultra talented artists have, so I think I'll start slowly.
And another thing about reference books is that they can sometimes get a bit confusing - for example, I have some manga art books as well, however one book says that a wire skeleton is very essential, another tells me that it is not obligatory, that a rough staking of geometrical shapes is all that is necessary to start a human figure while the third book gives a very hard-to-understand tip about blending the wire skeleton and geometric shapes together, and that is when my work usually concludes in epic FAIL, and that's putting it mildly.
And then there are proportions - in one of those books they are arranged seemingly easy to understand, but when I took a look at them carefully (they were in numbers) I saw such scales:
Head: about 1,5 full body parts
Breast (for female): 1 head part in widght
Legs: 3 full body parts
Torso: about 2 full body parts etc.
I started to understand stuff then, but then I thought: "That's funny - there is no full body scale. I wonder, what...Aha, got it! And the full body is...6 head parts long?!" And that was when I got so confused that I reached for the ruler and accidently dumped my cup of tea all over my ultra newbish sketch. Oh, well, I guess it is like Lenin said: "Repetition is the mother of all knowledge!" I know - not the best example by choosing a quote from a violent dictator, but he is right, in a way - the more you do it (and it is even better if you like it), the better you become at it.
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:icongardenparsley:
GardenParsley Featured By Owner Apr 2, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Contradicting advice can be really rough-- personally I find wire skeletons to be not at all necessary, and sometimes not helpful, but shapes essential for sketching out what the body will look like in three dimensions; practice both and see what works for you
And yes, most books say that the adult body is about six heads tall when in the anatomical position but that is more of a guideline than anything else; I suppose if measuring it with a ruler helps you then go ahead but eyeballing it will usually be fine
Proportions can be tricky, but for the whole body it is more important to draw what looks right than sticking to any set numbers; also keep in mind that little details will go a long way in keeping proportions straight, such as the hand being the length of the face
The most important thing to keep in mind how parts connect to one another-- if you can keep that straight then proportions can become a lot easier in my opinion-- and how they overlap
But yes, it seems Lenin was right about that, just do not get discouraged or put down your abilities; you need that practice to get better and even your rough sketches today are improvements over the sketches of yesterday-- you are putting a lot of effort in to improving your art and you should be proud of yourself 8]
A lot of people do not have that sort of motivation or willingness to learn
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:icongraphitestalker:
GraphiteSTALKER Featured By Owner Apr 2, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Thank you for your kind words! I will definitely keep improving! :3
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choco-kay Featured By Owner Apr 1, 2011  Student Digital Artist
Yeah, dA is a great place to come and improve your art. c: Not only are there tons of helpful people here, but there's thousands of tutorials for pretty much anything you could think of (even deer anatomy! :la: I was pretty excited when I found that myself xD). And then there's this really nifty website that has a bunch of poses for both males and females, and I really like using it.
[link]
There's even a tool for doing 30-second drawings, which would work more for gesture/figure drawing (if your art teacher ever taught you that), and my own art teacher says that gesture drawing is really the best way to learn the basics of the human anatomy. c:
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